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#1 2022-08-11 15:19:41

Jeremy_Ingram
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Registered: 2022-02-24
Posts: 19

Staysail sheeting position on V26

Hi to all,
     I´m new to the Association ,and the forum and and  to the boats but extremely happy to have acquired Pintail , a beautiful  Frances 26 cutter and we´re happily cruising our first summer out of Falmouth.  Being a new owner,  all sorts of modifications and upgrades are in the pipeline , of course, but in the first instance.... Pintail has no self tacking boom on the staysail, the sheets pass through bullseyes on the foredeck and in turn  back to clutches on the cabin trunk sides at the cockpit .I find this inconvenient and feel a better arrangement would be  sheeting  them via turning blocks on the forward corners of the coach house roof ( maybe a short track but hardly think would even be neccessary) and then back to possibly snubbing winches under the dodger.
     So, my question is, does anybody know if this has been done before and is the sheeting angle suitable/workable ? The staysail is , I think too high cut in the foot at the moment but I think the angle would be fairly reasonable, a tad tighter than present but not much.
            Any input would be most gratefully received

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#2 2022-08-11 17:04:13

Murray_Fraser
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From: Weymouth
Registered: 2016-11-22
Posts: 87

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

Jeremy, I have a V800 and the set up works really well.  The traveller could be either a S/S bar and slider or a proper traveller as shown. You may not be able/choose to feed the sheet up the mast as on mine which means I only have one sheet back to the cockpit but you should be able to feed it via a turnblock at the base.  Alternative would be to take a sheet from either end and run these back.  Whilst the double purchase may seem OTT it does come in handy as I do not need to use the winch, even in a blow and it is locked with a camcleat on the coachroof.
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#3 2022-08-12 01:06:46

Bill_Robinson
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From: Langkawi, Malaysia
Registered: 2021-06-14
Posts: 110

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

I have changed the rig on my Victoria Frances 26 from a fractional sloop, to a mast head cutter, with a removable inner forestay. This was done with input from my rigger and sailmaker. The reasons for this is to have better windward performance, and have a hanked on sail for heavy weather. My new hanked on staysail has a deep reef for use as a storm jib. The sheeting system consists of two spring loaded blocks mounted on the deck opposite the mast, two angled turning blocks on the deck at the corner of the coach house. From there to rope clutches mounter on the side of the cockpit coaming. The sail is small and should not need a winch, except in strong winds when the genoa will be furled anyway, and therefore the genoa sheet winches can be used.

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#4 2022-08-12 04:34:14

Bill_Robinson
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From: Langkawi, Malaysia
Registered: 2021-06-14
Posts: 110

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

I have changed the rig on my Victoria Frances 26 from a fractional sloop, to a mast head cutter, with a removable inner forestay. This was done with input from my rigger and sailmaker. The reasons for this is to have better windward performance, and have a hanked on sail for heavy weather. My new hanked on staysail has a deep reef for use as a storm jib. The sheeting system consists of two spring loaded blocks mounted on the deck opposite the mast, two angled turning blocks on the deck at the corner of the coach house. From there to rope clutches mounter on the side of the cockpit coaming. The sail is small and should not need a winch, except in strong winds when the genoa will be furled anyway, and therefore the genoa sheet winches can be used.

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#5 2022-08-12 11:46:03

Jeremy_Ingram
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Registered: 2022-02-24
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Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

Many thanks to you both for really helpful replies. Coincidentally I also received  a mail from Kevin , Pintail´s previous owner ,who some time ago  had sketched out a very similar proposal to that of Murray on his V800. The staysail we now have on Pintail is too high cut to be effective and Kevin´s idea was a type of almost ¨deck sweeper ¨, much larger in size,  which I could envision as a plausible stand alone next step down from a rolled up jib when the time came? Murray, may I ask what size and shape is your staysail as you obviously have it up and working well.

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#6 2022-08-12 15:31:28

Jonathan_Hopper
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Posts: 161

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

I think True Glory has a track on the coachroof for the staysail sheets.   Handy if you do decide to go bigger at a later date - and allows for an overlapping jib.   If I can find some photos I will email.

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#7 2022-08-12 17:35:16

Jeremy_Ingram
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Registered: 2022-02-24
Posts: 19

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

Jonathan , thank you , that would be most useful. I couldn’t find Morning Glory in the list of boats but would be interesting to see a picture.

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#8 2022-08-16 10:27:37

Murray_Fraser
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From: Weymouth
Registered: 2016-11-22
Posts: 87

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

Jeremy my Staysail is Luff 6.85 / Foot 2.25 / Leech 6.25; the LP is 2.00.  So pretty much a triangle and measures to 6.85 Sq M.  My Yankee is high cut and measures 12.96 Sq M giving me 19.81 Sq M forward of the mast and 14.28 Sq M in the main; a total of 34.09 Sq M. 

I do find the cutter rig really versatile but miss having a large jib or even a Genoa when the wind drops.  I have an Asy but this is no good upwind of course.  So on my wish list is a 100/120% genoa that I could swap out with the Yankee.  I think this would give me around  24 Sq M forward of the mast depending on leech and excluding the Staysail.  More important it would give me improved pointing in light airs.  Key issue would be tacking the jib through the currently fixed Staysail but I could insert a quick release lever!  All seems a bit OTT when all I want to do is sail but then I do some round the bouys stuff as well and it would be nice to have that pointing ability!

I don't have a good photo of my sails flying but if you look online, search 'Victoria 800 sailing' and then look under images there are some excelelnt shots of Victoria cutters including Thalia that you can also see on this website.


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#9 2022-08-19 11:08:09

Jeremy_Ingram
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Registered: 2022-02-24
Posts: 19

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

Murray,
   Many thanks for the information. I shall certainly be looking for a more efficient staysail this winter and at the same time will wait to work out optimum sheeting arrangements for the new size and shape.
       My last boat was a  cutter rigged Saltram Saga 36, pretty much like a scaled up Frances 26 really, but those extra 10 ft make  a lot of difference in every sense. When I bought her all headsails were hank on.  Working jib, staysail and a 110% genoa which was  too big to comfortably use hanked on  for a shorthanded crew so we fitted a Sailspar roller furler and converted the sail to fit so then it stayed up all the time.  We  fitted a removeable headstay for the working jib with a Seasure quick release lever  just aft of the outer headstay and which only took five minutes to ready  and deploy  . With these two items our sailing was transformed . Tacking , because of  the staysail  forestay, was still a bit of  an issue but normally we didn´t tack that much especially on passage and it wasn´t a  big deal. Very often we´d just go with the big genoa alone which was  really versatile   and  easy to handle and much more potent than the working headsails alone could have been.   I´d love to have something along the same lines on Pintail but the difference in foredeck size between the two boats  is huge and I´m not sure if it might result in just too much kit all over the place but it would be a very nice setup if one could achieve it. Certainly something to ponder?

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#10 2022-10-03 11:40:22

Guy_Warner
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From: Petersfield Hampshire
Registered: 2015-06-07
Posts: 23

Re: Staysail sheeting position on V26

The yachts are different but I replaced the self-tacking staysail on my Victoria 34 as it was not big enough to have much pulling power. I replaced it with a 110% sail on a furlex. The sheeting arrangements had to be changed. I re-sheeted the yankee headsail outboard and through turning blocks in the cockpit (similar to spinnaker position and used the yankee deck tracks for the staysail. This was ok but I then added turning blocks to the rail well forward of the tracks to pull the leech of the staysail down. This has worked well.

Suggest you persist with your staysail turning blocks as necessary - it is a good idea.

Guy Warner
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